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You Sold Out, Homie: B.O.B.

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The release of B.O.B.’s long awaited/delayed debut album The Adventures Of Bobby Ray has inspired me to resurrect this short lived series from my glory days at that other site. Basically here’s the premise for those that missed the pilot: nobody in the hip hop media calls a sell out a sell out anymore. Go pick up a back issue of a rap magazine from the mid 90s. When a major artist sold out there were long think pieces on the societal and business ramifications on the hip hop world. I am bringing that the fuck back because sell out rap sucks.

My one time bossman at that same gig now claims that “we off” the sellout. When The Roots made that horrible record with The Fall Out Boys that the internet hated their drummer Questlove took a similar stance. That the we, the people, were beyond sellout. Now this logic is understandable in the I’ll still sell my song to Nike even though they have sweat shops or whatever sense. Hey, make money off of your art in anyway possible since nobody is paying for the physical product anymore. No shame in product placement. But the opening of this path makes the B.O.B./Fall Out Roots school of sell out all the more detestable today. Because there are so many more lanes for an artist to make off of art, Pure Art, in today’s landscape if your business is in order. Look at Wiz Khalifa or Stones Throw or hell The Roots themselves, who now play J Dilla instrumentals nightly on network TV. (Not to mention any number of upper echelon Pitchfork indie bands who have almost already guaranteed a lifetime of mid-sized venue touring off one or two buzz heavy and eccentric albums.) So the idea that it’s somehow admirable to churn out this sort of near Miley Cyrus tripe is truly offensive. Because lane carving has never been easier, especially for a talent of B.O.B.’s level. So save the Sprewell family values.

The Adventures Of B.O.B. isn’t simply a sell out record. It might be the most selling outest sell out rap album to ever sell out. It’s not just pop rap. It’s unabashed pop music that happens to have rapping on the verses. It’s pure Disney Radio shit, Now That’s What I Call Music music. It’s got that sick sort of slightly twisted upper lip Blink 182/Avril Lavigne brand of Hot Topic cool kid rebellion pop feel to it, which didn’t seem particularly rebellious or cool when I was actually a teenager. I can’t even wrap my head around the same guy that wrote smart and subtle songs like “Daddy” and “Life Of Sin” turning around and signing off on these ideas. What hurts the most is that dude is still rapping pretty well here. He’s just burying good rapping in bubblegum music. I’m trying to be kind. Or at least the kind of writer who can look at a well constructed pop record and admire it. I’m not qualified to make that call but I certainly can’t argue with numbers. Bob’s got two hits right now thanks to everything but his rapping. Fennessey seems to think that this turn is at worst essential (I disagree) and at best representative of the artist that B.O.B.’s always aspired to be. Which raises the questions: can pure intentions wash away the sell out stench? Does honesty negate tastelessness? Whatever the answer it needs to be said: you sold out, homie. Spend your earnings wisely.

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122 Responses to “You Sold Out, Homie: B.O.B.”

  1. trying to put some dick up in vanity six Says:

    Is “Bet I Bust” constituting as a hit song here?

  2. noz Says:

    No, the two charting hits are “Nothin On You” and “Airplanes”

  3. BENJY Says:

    they say that im changing
    cuz im gettin famous
    fuck you

    naah, for real tho this sucks and there’s no getting around that despite his intentions o well

  4. AK Says:

    Thank you, ffs. Selling out in the sense of selling the art to a commercial venture to make it more [visible/profitable/successful] is perfectly understandable (even if I have my qualms about it), but selling out the art itself for the sake of personal success is disgusting. The artist serves the art, not the other way around.

  5. alex Says:

    Do you really think he was hoping for mainstream success here?

    I mean, yeahhhhh, he did the joint with the Paramore girl and he does have a super bubblegum sound on this whole record, BUUUUT.. he was always into his whole rock and roll thing. You know what I’m talking about, the rock songs you have to skip over on his mixtapes. I don’t think he was aiming for mainstream success, I think this is just the record the dude wanted to make.

  6. noz Says:

    I’m not sure how people are hearing a “rock” album here. Rock music generally, you know, rocks.

    Also not sure how honestly and deeply wanting to make a shitty sell out pop record somehow makes it not that.

  7. playasam Says:

    he sold out worse than common, black eyed peas, drake and t.i. put together!! i hope more ppl learn about playboy tre from this record…

  8. alex Says:

    Selling out is sucking corporate dick for money. He made the music he wanted to make, not bowing to anybody = no selling out. He wanted to make this upbeat, shitty pop rap record. You don’t like the music, but he didn’t sell out here.

    And the “rock” that I’m talking about, the rock that Bob imitates, is indie rock. Phoenix, MGMT, Spoon, that genre. Lupe’s also doing the same shit on some of his newly released songs, so expect that on your new Lupe album.

  9. noz Says:

    Oh “Nothing On You” is an indie rock record?

  10. alex Says:

    Ok haha, maaaaaybe not that song in particular, but more than half the album sounds like that stuff.

    And that Airplanes track could have just as easily been on Eminem’s next cd.

  11. AK Says:

    B.o.B. does not rock, and does not even imitate that stuff. Just ’cause a cat has a guitar doesn’t mean that rock is the relevant topic or that he has any idea what rock involves, much less that he’s actually trying to make rock music (nb. Weezy).

    Rappers need to stop fucking listening to Coldplay.

    Everyone needs to stop listening to Coldplay, rather, but especially rappers.

  12. Dom Says:

    Dude made a fucking awful album in the hope that he’d blap Hayley Williams as a result of it. Don’t front like you wouldn’t replace every graphic on this site with an Emily the Strange jpg if you thought you had a shot as well.

  13. emynd Says:

    I really do think intentions are important when you talk about this whole “selling out” thing. Like several posters above me have said, this is the music this guy WANTS to make the same way Lil B makes music he WANTS to make. The fact that it’s not experimental or very interesting pop-meets-rap stuff doesn’t automatically make it sell out rap to me. I think there’s something charming about B.O.B. making this style of bubblegum-rock-pop-rap even though I don’t have the vocabulary to really say anything interesting about it except for the cop-out “he’s so talented!”

    But basically, just because he’s not making the music you want him to make doesn’t mean he’s selling out. He’d probably be making the exact same style of stuff with or without a record deal and a couple hit records. He just legitimately LIKES this stuff! You can be mad at him for having bad taste, but all this sell-out talk I think is a bit off the mark.

    -e

  14. bding7 Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7lH1ULTrY

    i am amazed people like those singles. sell-out or not, they’re just so bland.

  15. AaronM Says:

    This is a really well-made pop rock record with good rapping on it. Don’t see how that’s a sellout in the least.
    EMYND’s got it right as usual. Again, if you listened to his more recent tapes, he’s been heading in the direction of bright pop for a while now. And the songs on here are the best pop songs he’s written – BOB’s getting better at it and
    I mean, I prefer his earlier stuff too – I’d take “Generation Lost”, “Hip Hop Ain’t Dead” or “My Story” over anything on the new record. But to hate BOB for growing as an artist because you don’t approve of his direction seems a bit petty.
    It seems silly to doubt his intentions when he’s clearly a fan of Paramore and Weezer.

  16. Sound Verite' Says:

    Trying waaaaaaaaaaaaay too hard to be “different”, lame songs are simply lame, Eleen fav new rapper will soon be overstocked iin your local record store’s used section. This is the kind of pop-rap that weakens, not strengthens hip-hop.

  17. Sean Says:

    What EMYND said.

  18. noz Says:

    “It seems silly to doubt his intentions when he’s clearly a fan of Paramore and Weezer.”

    Is that why his label paid members of Weezer and Paramore to contribute hollow pop hooks to records that sound nothing like the recorded output of either band? (Or, I guess in Weezer’s case, sounds nothing like their recorded output that anybody on the planet actually likes.)

    Avril Lavigne really is the closest comparison. Pop in a rock costume. Give a teeny bopper a studded bracelet and it’s punk music, give a rapper a guitar and he’s now a rock star. This is the way modern pop music is branded and marketed but it’s mostly meaningless. Taylor Swift has cowboy boots so she must make country music.

    I don’t necessarily believe that this is the album BOB wanted to make either. As far as I can tell BOB wanted to be a serious artist ala Andre 3000. I suspect he either made a semi-conscious cash grab or his label played into his musical nativity and got him to make a really shameless pop album under the guise of serious art. (Trust me, I play air guitar.) I mean look at how few of his own hooks he sings on here versus on the mixtapes. I was expecting more of the record to sound like “Lovlier Than You” which is horrible but feels infinitely more honest than just about anything else on the album.

  19. Sound Verite' Says:

    FYI…there’s NOTHING “indie” about this disaster.

  20. brad Says:

    Haven’t heard the album, but if ‘Nothin On You’ is any indication then I’m with Noz on this one. I could easily see that one being included on a ‘Now That’s What I Call Music’ comp, like he said. In fairness to the ‘not a sell out’ camp, B.O.B. has always kinda displayed the capability of enjoying and producing crap. I always liked about half of his mixtapes. Maybe he’s purposely pursuing that part of his musical personality that I could never really get into. Whatever his intentions, though, these singles are complete garbage.

  21. mark p. Says:

    The Bobby Ray “side” of that B.o.B vs Bobby Ray tape was my least favorite hip-hop related thing to drop in at least 8 years. I don’t know if should even bother with this.

  22. willdc Says:

    just look at the awful album cover you can tell he listened very closely to their marketing plan, hope he didn’t sign a 360 deal.

  23. thenashvillain Says:

    I think it’s pretty clear that the TI’s packaged this for the pitchfork crowd. having said that, about 6 songs on it are nails. “Bet I” with an emotional Treyboy Play drop and a nasty double-time verse from TIP is not worthy of noz’s scathing, embittered, quasi-journalist review. It is a lot fucking worse than his mixtapes though, and a disapointment.

  24. thenashvillain Says:

    *the album is much worse than his mixtapes

  25. noz Says:

    Oh I love “Bet I,” but it’s also months old and a serious outlier on this record. I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned it here before.

  26. Hollow Man Says:

    Noz tends to go up his own ass some times, but a lot of you guys need hugs. How are you mad at some one for simply saying I don’t like this. I hate this shit. Over processed guitars with rapping on it is not “next level” it’s Limp Bizkit, get over yourself “smart rap fans”, yall are just emotionally un honest. Yall getting worked over something yall are not profiting, not benefitting from, etc. Your not edgy. Tribe is never going to put another album and neither is Outkast. Fuck this Im going go listen Clark and Zomby and try to forget you lames exsist. Oh yeah, if Pimp C heard about this he would be doing triple gainers in his grave.

  27. ri067953 Says:

    How can you say that this album is not good? XXL just gave it an XL rating on their website.

  28. Kimbo Slice Says:

    man i have to agree, i was waiting and waiting for this album, hoping for some good things. then this sound with the chick from paramount? and that other song.. i got the magic in me? wtf is that shit. a big let down… BIG let down. i hope the dude does well but its wack to me

  29. YoDaddy Says:

    You call B.O.B. trash but faithfully and continually post a flat out terrible Lil B….by far the worst rapper out right now.

    Really need to grow up with all that “sell out” nonsense. Sell out because he’s a nobody (in the grand scheme) with a first single ft. Bruno Mars (another nobody) and it shot to #1? He’s on pace for 90K wow…sellout!

    B.O.B. vs. Bobby Ray was filled with shit like the songs on his album as well as May 25th and Who The Fuck Is BOB,

    He got shit not on the album with pop people like Cobra Starship, Pitbull and Asher Roth and always had some weird ass sample in his songs. And it wasn’t like he was on some gangsta shit to begin with and then just switched it up. He was always a little weird.

    If you don’t like the nigga’s music then just say so and keep it moving. But that sell out shit is overblown. B.O.B.’s “sold out” but you’re writing for The Wire??? Niggas don’t read that shit.

    The album is cool…it has some shit that’s borderline great but then it also has shit clearly not for “us” like that Magic shit.

    He not out there lying about crack and “fake dope prices talking about some squares…. guess what man get off the booboo?” Pimp C

    “if you a cartoon character on your first album you need to be a cartoon character on your last” Pimp C

    “if you started being a gangbanger after your first or 2nd album…you a busta” Pimp C

    Not calling B.O.B. a cartoon character but I’m saying that he always been on the type of shit he’s on now so with that fact he cannot be a sellout.

  30. DR. NO Says:

    Sell out = pop rap bullshit

    This fits the bill. All yall saying otherwise are pop rap bullshit apologists.

    I’m not checking for BOB at all. Dude switched his style up when he was halfway out the gate, if you can’t even come correct on your debut album you’re chances of doing so in the future are nil.

  31. Vandal Says:

    Never been a big fan of B.O.B.’s music but I won’t knock him down just for the reason it was obvious from the two singles you mention what direction he was going to take with his first album. Now given I have not heard much of his earlier material so I can’t judge if this was always his approach to Hip Hop. It is a fun sugary pop record. There is no denying that. I call it Hip Hop corn syrup which should be taken in small doses. To all those fans who were on his nuts before and now feel like you’ve been manipulated well there is an easy solution to that. Smack yourself.

  32. ri067953 Says:

    I thought calling a rapper a sell out played out in the early 90′s? Why not call out all of these “gangsta rappers” who get paid to promote the latest neon colored liquor in their videos. Those are the type of “sell outs” that are detrimential to hip-hop.

  33. CrowleyHead Says:

    Is it wrong to say that selling out is bad though? I mean, we’re looking at the Puffy Era with rose-tinted glasses now, but I know people who were making hip-hop way back in the 90′s that still carry various emotional baggage about how ‘money ruined everything’… Now, the fact is, this IS a sell-out record, without question. It also is pretty bad.

    This record isn’t even a grab at ‘indie’ or ‘pitchfork’. It’s a grab at exactly where it grabbed and pulled B.O.B. into. A world where he sings “I’ll Be In The Sky” at MTV Spring Break to drunken white teens who just hear a chorus. Billboard charting goodness. And 90K is pretty good, in this day and age. Maybe if he’d had more of an effort at trying to prove himself to the self-absorbed ‘hipster/indie’ community as say, Cudi, he’d have more sales as well.

  34. Stephen McNearney Says:

    This album cannot be considered a sell-out. The only way B.o.B. has sold out is to create a semi-corporate lifestyle partnership with Lrg – the clothing line that pimped him out and put his mixtapes on.

    If you think B.o.B. does not rock, you have not seen him live. His live show rocks. I saw him two years ago at the A3C festival in Atlanta and just a couple weeks ago at Coachella in Indio, CA. No difference in the energy, raw talent, and ability to get the crowd involved.

    What’s got you confused is trying to put a label on B.o.B.’s sound. All he’s been doing is blurring genre boundaries – it’s reflected in the campaign he’s put on to promote the album, which has been almost completely digital, yet completely social at the same time.

    You can’t get a following like Bobby Ray’s without making people sing and dance. B.o.B.’s shit is organic – fresh produce. And it really hasn’t changed that much at all. Sure, he’s evolved, but so has the industry and the way music is mediated, as well as the way music is created.

    Riddle me this: if I picked up a back issue of a rap magazine from the mid-90s, who am I going to find inside that’s still getting paid? I can think of one person, and he’s a business, man.

    Check out http://www.thedailyswarm.com for a fresh B.o.B. feature just about to drop, not about the album, but about his new media approach to its release – dude is gonna be relevant for a long time because he knows what the fuck he’s doing.

    It’s Grand Hustle.

  35. Hollow man Says:

    STEPHEN MCNEARNEY are you just a fruit, an Atlantic records intern, or trying to be ironic cause i really dont know. The “It’s Grand Hustle” was gayest thing I ever read in my life and I was reading Allen Ginsberg poetry right before I read your joke of a comment. Please Die.

  36. Ramon Says:

    You’re completely right except that, as a dude who has watched the message boards pile up stats FBO this guy over the past few cycles, I feel like B.o.B. has ALWAYS been a slick vessel of shitty pop rap.

    His accent feels forced; his production skills are a moot point because he raps about suburbs and name-check Napoleon Dynamite and raps about blogging. I’ve just never been able to stand the guy.

    Drake is way, way more interesting and dynamic. I think the difference — and I compare the two as rap’s biggest young pop forces — is that Drake cares a lot more about rapping well and rap in general. He’s acutely self-aware and learned whereas B.o.B. is a musician first. But good musicians need handlers to limit, you know, 10 minute songs about Saturn.

    If anything, this awful new record leaves B.o.B. as a technically strong guitar player with no vision, with little left to say, in a candy ass monkey suit.

    What I honestly don’t understand is what all these writers I check regularly saw in the first place.

  37. David Says:

    i think ‘sell-out’ is just misleading/muddying the conversation — sell out on whose terms? — the important thing is that this record blows, ‘arty’ or not. he might not be a cartoon gangster, but hes still a goddamn un-convincing cartoon

  38. Stephen McNearney Says:

    Cool screenname, hollow man.

    Check it: http://thedailyswarm.com/swarm/daily-swarm-exclusive-new-media-adventures-bobby-ray/

    It’s Grand Hustle.

  39. Bradley Says:

    “If life was a swimming pool, I’d be in the deep end.” “Past My Shades by B.o.B

    That statement pretty much sums up the entire album for me.

    I miss “Hi My Name Is…” and the “Who The Fuck Is…” mixtape era.

  40. AK Says:

    “He got shit not on the album with pop people like Cobra Starship, Pitbull and Asher Roth”

    First off, who the fuck even listens to Cobra Starship? I seriously do not get it. Are they really blowing up just off of “Snakes On A Plane”? Makes me want to kick someone.

    Second, anyone who comes in the game working with Cobra Starship, Pitbull, or Asher Roth is DEFINITELY a sell-out from day one, angling only for the most pop dollars possible rather than aspiring to even the vaguest sense of creativity.

    Nobody with skills worth talking about jumps in the game thinking “Oh man, I hope I get big enough to work with a legendary artist like Asher Roth.” Anyone who honestly thought such a thing would have such shitty taste that they’d never do anything worth talking about to begin with.

  41. faux_rillz Says:

    Jesus Christ, Stephen McNearney, that is some embarrassing schitt.

  42. MAYNHOLUP! Says:

    yea i listened to dis once, well i got thru half de songs den skipped cuz dey wuz straight terrible den i threw on sume Z-RO an fiyahed up de kill shit wuz much better mayn who wit me

  43. Phil Says:

    After hearing that record and seeing the video for ‘Nothin on You’ I felt slightly ashamed and embarassed and dirty.

    But that didn’t come close to how I felt reading Stephen McNearny’s comment up there.

  44. Phil Says:

    “He’s blurring genre boundaries”

    OMG you’re right! He’s blurring pop and…. pop-with guitars and, um… pop-rap. What a fucking daring artiste he is! Deconstructing the shit out of music.

  45. andre Says:

    Stephen McNearny’s comments are the literary equivalent of a weekend road-trip with super producer Solar.

  46. Sound Verite' Says:

    Drake is as boring as B.o.B. …unless your a 15year old girl or white dude that thinks Black Eyed Peas are great.

  47. LIL B Says:

    yes its so crazy i cant really wait to blow maintstream
    its guna be a major fuck u to all the sellouts
    because i seem to keep it to
    real

    LOLLLL

  48. andre Says:

    I had never heard B.O.B.’s music before reading this post. So, out of curiosity, I just listened to a bunch of his tracks on YouTube. Honestly, I don’t think this album merits this much hostility. For example, “Satellite” is a pretty cool track. That song w the girl from Paramore is indeed a shameless attempt to achieve crossover success. But still, I think the hip-hop songs that are based on gangsta posturing with the syrupy r&b chorus are way more insincere than anything I’ve heard from B.O.B. The thing is, for a lot of today’s high school kids, they know that the cool bands are the ones that play Coachella and get reviewed on Pitchfork. To the cool kids, the usual gangsta posturing is really tired aspect of hip-hop. Puffy on BET “making it rain” with fake dollar bills is corny to them. Obama made “intelligent” cool. So, that baggy-pants-shiny-rims-bring-a-gat-to-da-club-wearin-louie-vuitton type rap is rightfully seen as tired by today’s cool kids. And this is the demographic that B.O.B. is trying to reach. So yea, B.O.B’s approach looks a little forced in that video where he’s playing guitar . . . but at the same time, for today’s young audience, that’s cool in a nerdy way, whereas mouthing the lyrics from a Bentley flaunting wealth is now considered corny. If look at B.O.B. in this context, his sound and style make sense. He is well-managed.

  49. brad Says:

    Yeah, I couldn’t even imagine Lil B doing something like ‘Nothin On You.’ And if he performed on ‘Ellen,’ her audience would probably be scared and/or confused. That’s a compliment, btw.

  50. brad Says:

    Oh shit, I think Andre is competing with that McNearney guy.
    Bring a gat to the club???

  51. Stephen McNearney Says:

    Just ain’t the same gang of nerds on the Internet
    Slandering your name behind that screen name
    They’re lame and their life is pretty plain
    M&M’s with no nuts
    Won’t show up face-to-face straight bitch made
    Like puppies on the nipples of a mutt

    Looks like it’s gonna debut at #1, puppies – a lot of hard work finally paying off.

  52. Logan Melissa Says:

    Skillfully selecting collaborators to add catchy hooks to your songs does not a good MC make. As a lady, I feel compelled to add that I find bad popular rap music that blatantly panders to my gender to be offensive–I’m still waiting for flowers and a handwritten apology note for that “Baby you the whole package/Plus you pay your taxes” line.

    PS, Noz, still waiting for you to propose so we can make nerdy/angry babies together. Love, Logan.

  53. andre Says:

    @ BRAD

    That was a tongue-in-cheek description of the lyrical content of commercial gangsta rap. Sorry, ‘thought it was obvious . . .

  54. AK Says:

    Sound Verite is on re: Drake. Drake drops dull punchlines, each one massively telegraphed and underlined like “oh man here comes my amazing joke!” Like Weezy at his worst, or Kanye if he was predictable and uncharismatic.

  55. brad Says:

    Andre, I know what you were trying to do. I just thought your description of the type of shit you’re not into sounded corny. My bad, that was knee-jerk and harsh to compare you to McNearney.

  56. nico Says:

    ahahaahaha noz you killin it b.o.b. is dead.

  57. Tray Says:

    I ripped that Nothin On You shit over on Singles Jukebox and fellow blog commenter fruit fly Trey yelled at me for, like, being mean. Anyway, this is rather unfortunate. Unlike Drake the guy’s actually a talented rapper, you hate to see the shit go to waste. Whereas Drake, you know, if that’s what kids and other people with no taste want to spend their time listening to, I guess someone’s got to make money off of them. I can’t entirely see why pop-rap’s got to be so bad though. I mean, when I was 12, 13, I listened to Ma$e, No Way Out, Biggie’s big singles, ‘Bow Down.’ And obviously Quad City DJs and the occasional Gettin Jiggy Wit It, but even that shit still has its charm, and there’s no harm in stupid dance music. The point is though, Drake is no Ma$e, Ma$e was funny, Ma$e actually had ability when he chose to display it, Ma$e had great production. Drake’s shit should be sold as sleeping medication, there’s nothing even fun about it.

  58. Ramon Says:

    @Sound Verite
    “Drake is as boring as B.o.B. …unless your a 15year old girl or white dude that thinks Black Eyed Peas are great.”

    …or Jay-Z, Kanye West, Bun B, Lil Wayne, Phonte, Elzhi, Nipsey Hu$tle and basically the entire frontline of the industry. I won’t even count Em because he’s presently in a dark place, popping up on records with B.o.B.

    So Far Gone, to say nothing of its instant connection turned year-long obsession with people upon its February ’09 release, is a post-808s masterpiece.
    There’s no regional representation and while the rapping is top notch it’s mainly about taste. Drake is confessional, croons like a veteran and flips indie artists into better songs with improved melodies. Drake is the only truly interesting new rap artist from 2009; certainly the only one that knows how to use a flip cam without being a whore, the only one capable of captivating and sustaining a mass audience throughout albums, for years to come.
    It’s personal reflection music. It’s workout playlist music. It’s windows down music. It’s a free February mixtape by nobodies that becomes a nationwide tour and hooks on The Blueprint III. It’s way better than The Blueprint III. It’s for the fellas and ladies and it perfectly scores every season. It knows how to hog the spotlight when existing alongside 10,000 songs in your pocket.

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  60. SHARKSBREATH Says:

    ri067953

    Why not call out all of these “gangsta rappers” who get paid to promote the latest neon colored liquor in their videos. Those are the type of “sell outs” that are detrimential to hip-hop.

    ^
    I agree with you but this isn’t rap. It’s easy listening music with someone rapping.

  61. SHARKSBREATH Says:

    Improved Melodies. I haven’t heard one original melody from the AL B Sure of rap.

    Is this what 50 ran Ja Rule out the game for. I would rather have Ja Rule being the only rapper running around singing than the entire industry thinking they can sing.

    New Eminem single anyone.

    Ramon. Drake can’t sing. Kanye can’t sing. I don’t know how you haven’t noticed that. Neither could Al B Sure.

    Yet your thinking your listening to good music.

  62. SHARKSBREATH Says:

    Ramon:a post-808s masterpiece.

    So you see rap as before 808 and after.

    Man. Your lost.

  63. Ramon Says:

    Sharkboy,

    Post-808 is a fair term when you consider how insanely influential Kanye West has been for these early 20s-late teens rappers. The kind who were in high school when Late Registration dropped. Since 808s, more than the skinny jeans of the Cool Kids or the name-dropping scenester shit Mickey Factz was doing, these dudes have taken the Kanye path to creativity: sing, name-drop foreign art movements, plan outfits around bright sunglasses, etc.

    Christ man, just look at the XXL Freshman from January 2009, in the wake of the 808s popularity:

    Cudi, Asher Roth, Wale, Blu, B.o.B.

    Not only is there a unifying look, but there’s a clear cut suburbanization in wordplay and influence. This is all basically stupid ass bullshit, but Drizzy — at least during So Far Gone — made it work. He didn’t just rap over a Lykke Li song, he chopped it up and did a hollow, sunken duet. But rather than live by this device, he brings in Bun B and uses Lil Wayne like you or I would if he was paying for our mixtapes: excessively. He homages Big Moe’s “June 27th” freestyle, turns that shit into an Usher jam, and turns on a nation of MySpace teenagers to an excellent scene.

  64. Thermos Says:

    To hear the originators tell it, rap was created because poor urban youth saw no reflection of themselves in popular black music, which was dominated by Price, Rick James, and Mtume. Not that they had anything against those cats, but they wanted to make music for and by themselves. Then it turned lucrative. Then suburbanites started buying it. Then major record labels got involved. Unfortunate mutations became frequent. Brainless gangster rap to titillate aggy teens. Poppy wonderfluff to feed mainstream audiences. Self-marginalizing bachelor-degree holders rapping abstractions for slackers. And that’s why this album is a problem. And that’s why Stephen McNearney is the walking talking embodiment of this fucked up mindset. Money is supposed to be made, but it was never supposed to be the justification. To say that progress is being made because the rappers have finally become Rick James is no progress at all. If anything, it’s a once rebellious wave of expression sinking back into the ocean of pop. It’s the assimilation of rap into pop. It’s a sellout.

  65. mark p. Says:

    “OMG you’re right! He’s blurring pop and…. pop-with guitars and, um… pop-rap. What a fucking daring artiste he is! Deconstructing the shit out of music.”

    lol, this about sums up this bullshit attitude. Every time people make comments like McNearney’s above all I can think is “Yes dude you are LITERALLY the only hip-hop fan (aside from B.o.B) that has ever listened to any music other than hip-hop. Hip-hop fans CLEARLY don’t recognize good/bad pop music when they hear it so therefore when they dislike an album like 808s & Heartbreak or B.o.B’s new one it’s because they’re being hip-hop purists and have no idea what a good pop song sounds like.” Fuckoutta here with that shit.

  66. faux_rillz Says:

    Stephen McNearney, you are slimpin’–you forgot to tack “It’s Grand Hustle” onto the end of your comment.

    Please don’t let this happen again.

  67. JLips Says:

    While the people singing the hooks on the album have name-value, I don’t think that the principles/styles/topics displayed on Adventures of Bobby Ray are not far (if at all) removed from B.o.B vs Bobby Ray or Hi! My Name is B.o.B.

    I’d argue that the Meth/Rae/Ghost album is far more of a “sell out” as there is virtually no chemistry on that album, reports (from Ghost) that they weren’t even in the studio at the same time while record. That this album is seemingly a money grab makes it much more of a “sell out” than Adventures of Bobby Ray.

  68. Ramon Says:

    @JLIPS

    Good point, and oh by the way, THERE WERE ONLY THREE SONGS WITH ALL THREE RAPPERS.

    Method Man said the Wu Massacre project was forced by the label, rushed, made on no budget and quite literally used the phrase “it is what it is.”

    Cosigning something for the check without the effort is selling out, but at least it has some digestible chunks. More importantly, nothing on Wu Massacre masquerades as radio fodder or is made with novice listeners in mind.

  69. noz Says:

    I love the phrase “semi-corporate lifestyle partnership” and I will be stealing it in the future. I don’t have anything else to add to this post.

  70. mark p. Says:

    The Wu-Massacre thing isn’t relevant to the discussion because B.o.B is at a totally different stage in his career than those 3 guys.

    Wu Massacre was made by three veteran MCs that have all released (or at least been involved with) throwaway/label obligation albums at some point. On the other hand, The Adventures Of Bobby Ray and its singles are probably the first time that anywhere from 50-80% of his audience will have even heard of dude, so the album is more like “this is how I want to introduce myself to the world that doesn’t read rap blogs.”

  71. B.S. Says:

    What THERMOS said.

  72. Phil Says:

    Speaking of Meth, do you reckon Stephen McNearney maybe climbs mountains and plays an electric guitar?

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  74. Thermos Says:

    @Phil Gza said that homie

  75. Phil Says:

    Ugh, you’re right. Now who’s embarassed.

  76. AK Says:

    “Post 808s masterpiece”?

    My god, I have so many problems with that. Start with the fact that 808s is a shitty fucking album, humorless, dull, emo, misogynistic, and deeply embarrassing to anyone who has ever upped Kanye (myself included).

    Or that anyone who says Drake is the only interesting new rap artist from ’09 – though, of course, dude dropped mixtapes back in ’06 and shit – missed a massive amount of good music last year.

    Drake is purely a pop artist. He is not a rapper. He is a pop musician who raps. Rap is, at this point in its development, a technique and form rather than a genre. Drake’s rapping is about as much “rap” as the incorporation of distorted guitar sounds into a beat makes it “rock.” He is personality-focused rap without the personality.

  77. Tray Says:

    I just find it really odd that all his shit is about dealing with being successful when he doesn’t even have an album out. Like yeah, it’s true that he is successful, but it’s just so weird, like he’s already in his Sergeant Pepper dwelling self-reflexively on himself stage, like what does that make You’re The Best, Love Me Do, Please Please Me, I want To Hold Your Hand, Ticket To Ride, Help, Hard Day’s Night, and Rubber Soul all in one? Make some shit that’s not about your music career first before your whole shit turns into the anxieties of being a famous rapper. That crap’s not even interesting.

  78. Ramon Says:

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on how interesting or profound or, more importantly, good Drake’s So Far Gone tape is. Ditto for 808s.

    To be clear, I’m not saying 808s is a wonderful, benchmark album or moment for rap, but that it’s a big fucking deal and a game-changer and its influences were and are, somewhat surprisingly considering how divisive that record was the second Kanye West closed out a VMA telecast with “Love Lockdown,” all over subsequent, younger rap stars.

    Hence the accurate phrase, “post-808s”

    I will say that Drake is absolutely a rapper in the most strictly confining sense of the term you choose to employ (though I think you mean a poet). Maybe not one you like, but one that came up making mixtapes, getting shown the door by major labels that couldn’t figure out a marketing angle and ultimately catching the eye of Lil Wayne whom you may remember as one of the greatest, most effortlessly skilled rappers ever. Lil Wayne straight up quotes Drake songs live on stage. Drake songs are quoted left and right in social media profiles. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen “transitioning from fitting in to standing out” on a nobody rapper’s MySpace page. Moreover, Drake seems to care a great deal about rap. He’s doing Dead Prez homages in his lead single.

    And I was paying close attention thank you very much. 2009 was a great year full of solid songs and releases from Mos Def, Raekwon, DOOM, Ghostface Killah (LOVED that r&b album, people slept, that shit was candy and had the year’s best album art), Elzhi, Method Man and Redman, Rhymefest, Mayer Hawthorne, Sa-Ra, Izza Kizza, Clipse for like the first three songs, Illmind, Jay-Z in bits, UGK. I sure as fuck wasn’t listening to Animal Collective or Wavves.

  79. mike Says:

    not a sellout by any means necessary.. who says he wanted to craft a “rap record” that eskay, noz, etc would like?.. bob is a good dude and made the record he wanted.. just because you don’t like the record doesn’t mean he’s a corporate sellout.. wtf.. oh yeah i forgot this is coming from someone who is Lil B’s promoter/PR Guru

  80. Derryl Says:

    As a longtime fan of B.o.B I have to say that I’m not entirely satisfied with the direction his music is going, but y’know, if that’s the type of music he’s always been trying to make (which I honestly sorta believe) then good for him. Can’t hate. At the very least, it should be clear to anyone that he’s felt more in his element as Bobby Ray than as B.o.B

    However, I was really kinda hoping Adventures of Bobby Ray would be more like the Bobby Ray mixtape last summer… in my humble opinion it had a lot more FLAVA.

  81. Derryl Says:

    And, to the author of this post, I would pose an innocent question:

    How is what B.o.B’s doing so much worse of a crime than what people like Soulja Boy, Waka Flocka, etc etc are doing?

    At least he’s putting out music that speaks to himself, from a creative sense. I’d much rather have Bobby Ray’s tunes floating around in the airwaves, imprinting on our younger generation, than some of that other shit currently out there….

  82. Reggie Says:

    I think Ramon is killing it. Lol @ “Sharkboy” and the “whom you may remember” line.

    To belabor the point: “Post-808s” is an absolutely valid descriptor that represents an astute and crucial distinction about the current state of hip-hop. It applies to the latest projects from rappers ranging from P. Diddy to Lil Wayne and, most importantly, to an apparent majority of up-and-comers now benefiting from the dwindling fruits of major label budgets.

    Drake is the biggest new rapper since 50 Cent and he just put out a single called “Find Your Love.” Perhaps you’ve heard it?

  83. AK Says:

    Ramon – I most certainly do not mean “poet.” I mean that rapping is now understood as a technique and a musical element that can be deployed in a variety of situations, rather than being endemic to a given genre. That goddamn Kesha track that was all over the place involves rapping – she’s clearly not singing, nor speaking, nor singsonging or any other intermediate form – but the song is a pop song, not a rap song, and Kesha is not a rapper.

    If we want to play with the idea of “Post-808s,” then the real significant change is that it made apparent the distinction between rap and pop with rap genes. Just as we do not need to pretend that the Jonas Brothers are a rock group rather than a pop group, we do not need to pretend that the Black Eyed Peas are a rap group rather than a pop group. “Best I Ever Had” is most emphatically not a rap song.

    Drake’s popularity among rappers is certainly not evidence that he is anything other than a pop artist. cf. Coldplay. And Wayne’s cosign is worth little, considering that the Young Money roster overflows with awful rappers. Drake just happens to be the one with charisma and a pop aesthetic.

    And, what you’re saying is you missed G-Side, Gibbs, J. Stalin, D-Lo, Yelawolf, Nocando, and Roach G-g-g-gigz.

  84. Kwis Says:

    Kinda hilarious. I heard the first couple songs off this and thought, you know what’s funny? You never hear someone get called a sellout anymore. Thanks for proving me wrong.

  85. Ramon Says:

    I love Freddie Gibbs. Here’s citation:
    http://themusic.fm/2010.03.26/interview-freddie-gibbs-rap-sxsw#more-1987

    Come on man, we’re obviously fans of this blog so there’s no point in attacking each other’s fanhoood.

    Rap is completely endemic to a certain genre: rap and hip-hop. When rock bands rap they called it rap/rock and as much as Papa Roach or Limp Bizkit sucked (though I think they are unfairly vilified and don’t suck nearly as much as we remember though they did suck on the mic but by the same token Rage Against the Machine is one of the best bands of the past 20 years and Zach De La Rocha had some excellent verses along their four albums), they rapped because they grew up listening to rap and poorly emulated the technique.

    But you make an interesting point and I’ll take more time to mull over the rap as a technique position.

    “…rap and pop with rap genes”

    Um, no, because then you’d have to ignore three decades of pop with rap genes going back to Blondie’s “Rapture.”

    Drake’s cosign from hip-hop because he’s a pop star and the Coldplay comparison is superficial. Chris Martin isn’t popping up all over the underground on mixtapes and shit. Weezy’s artistic cosign matters because I’ve yet to hear a bad song with these two dudes on it.

    Also, some of my closest dudes — some Target overnight shift discman carriers — copped the So Far Gone rerelease ep last fall and were all over it. It’s this type of repeated endorsement from working class rap fans (not purists, but legitimate and steady fans) that make your Black Eyed Peas comparison so off the mark. Simply put: the streets love Drake and this cannot be ignored. Drake isn’t a lab creation or label plot like B.o.B. He’s a rapper, just admit it.

    He isn’t even a sellout yet because there’s no radical departure from his earliest tapes and though you may not like it, there’s little question that his major label lead single is a rap song that tries.

    One last point I’d like to dispute is the argument that “Best I Ever Had” is an r&b song. Heard it echoed here and among friends and, again, just not the case. It’s a rap song:

    1. Reviews and the like write about the punchlines. That doesn’t happen with r&b songs.

    2. It inspired tons of rap remixes from rappers like Busta Rhymes. Not features, street remixes.

    2. This isn’t like Mariah Carey’s “Honey” remix with Ma$e or O.D.B. or D’Angelo featuring Common; songs wherein the song is anchored by r&b vocals and there’s a token rap verse either at its end or beginning…

    3. Rather, it’s a conventional radio rap song only reversed in pattern. Rather than three, 16 bar verses segued between 8 bar hooks, it’s a 12-bar hook and two, 16 bar verses. Even then, the hook is mostly rapping:

    4 bars of rapping (Baby you my everything…we can do it real big)
    4 bars of singing (‘Cause she hold me down…)
    4 bars of rap chanting (You tha fucking best, you tha fucking best)

    To be an r&b song, you need more than 4 bars of r&b singing. It’s straight hip-hop, son.

  86. DJ ReMike Says:

    fuck this he didn’t sell out. B.o.B’s been doing this style of music for awhile now. I completely agree with what YODADDY said. If B.o.B was strictly a rapper and never came out with any rock or pop stuff before this then you could say he sold out. But he’s been more than a rapper (he can sing WITHOUT AUTOTUNE, and he plays guitar and drums and piano as well) for awhile. Honestly I’m glad he’s doing what he’s doing. His stuff is the first dope pop music I’ve heard since Michael Jackson (btw that is NOT comparing him to MJ I’m just saying that pop music has been in dire straits for YEARS). His music is music of quality just cuz it’s not rap doesnt mean you should say he sold out.

  87. andre Says:

    sharksbreath

    “this isn’t rap. It’s easy listening music with someone rapping”

    That’s what a lot of people said about Massive Attack’s Blue Lines and Portishead. Both acts took musical fundamentals of hip hop (drum programming; samples; scratching) but used them to create chilled out, melancholy music that was in essence still hip hop. I think B.O.B’s “Satellite” one of the best hip-hop tracks I’ve heard in a while.

    I’m new to this blog: was there a post about Ludacris in that teenybopper Justin Bieber video? B.O.B. is only sell-out if he compromised his artistic integrity or vision for money. Why do we celebrate rappers “getting that paper” when they do product placement, but vilify a guy like B.O.B. when he takes hip-hop in new directions?

  88. andre Says:

    @ BRADLEY

    My description of dumb hip-hop was “corny”? Nah Bradley, I don’t think you understood I was describing dumb hip-hop. If you did, you’d comment on the point being made instead of the the manner in which the point was made. But it’s ok, Brad. Your parents probably just recently gave you permission to listen to hip-hop and like you said, in your frenzied excitement you had a knee jerk reaction. Guys named Bradley are prone to such moves.

  89. JLips Says:

    i’ve classified it all as emo-rap instead of post-808, same thing I suppose.

    got that vibe from both Drake and Cudi, i’m not a fan of either.

    lyrical merits aside it is one helluva catchy album and reminds me of when Country Grammar first came out. do the people still make music videos?

    looking forward to his Bonnaroo late-night set.

    shout out to Freddie Gibbs, ,he killed it down at SXSW rocking the “Chicago Hates You” t-shirt. my vid of it @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhfhtaN977U

  90. brad Says:

    You should actually be clowning me for being old, not young. I’m so old and crusty, I listened to ‘Raising Hell’ and ‘Licensed to Ill’ when they were new albums and Ronald Reagan was president. I watched new episodes of ‘The Cosby Show and wore stonewashed jeans, for christ’s sake. But, thanks, I haven’t felt this young since the eighties.

  91. DR. NO Says:

    To be an r&b song, you need more than 4 bars of r&b singing. It’s straight hip-hop, son.

    ^^^

    Just because you end your closing argument with “son”, doesn’t mean Drake is anything more than a lucky creampuff. You can argue Drake’s legitimacy as a rapper til you’re blue in the face, it just makes you look soft and makes your taste immediately suspect…and lol @ dudes who work at Target being ‘the streets’. Yall got jokes.

  92. DR. NO Says:

    What’s with this argument that B.O.B isn’t a sellout cause he actually likes this bullshit. Back in the day folks didn’t say “Oh Hammer’s always been a cornball, he’s a goofy motherfucker who’ll do anything for a check, that’s who he is, he must be keeping it real…” Please.

  93. JLips Says:

    child please, ‘Lets Get It Started’ is a classic album. remember buying that and ‘Straight Outta Compton’ at the same time in the mall. back in the daze.

    Hammer ain’t no sell out and neither was Fresh Prince.

    not all rap is meant for the gangsters.

    does B.o.B curse once on the album? all the guest spots have curses but don’t think he curses once on it.

  94. Trey Stone Says:

    lol self-serious rap critics

  95. Ramon Says:

    @ DR. NO

    This is your argument:

    “Drake is not a rapper because….non-sequitor about Drake being a lucky homosexual mixed with a personal attack.”

  96. Ramon Says:

    And yes, people that have to take three buses to overnight shifts stocking Target’s aisles to pay rent are street by any metric.

    Top three phrases rap blog dudes love to run into the ground:

    3.. “The fuck?”

    2. “Ya’ll got jokes.”

    1. “Fuck outta here.”

  97. Jazzy Says:

    wow thats crazy did not think i would be reading a sell out blog on bobby ray

  98. AK Says:

    Ramon: It’s entirely fair to say that Drake is street. He might be street or street-acceptable. That’s fine. There’s a of pop music in the last 40 years that would fit such a definition. Without being rap.

    cf. Coldplay. But no, fuck that, we all know that that’s bullshit, let’s step back a minute. cf. Rick James? Sure. cf. Parliament. cf. Curtis Mayfield. cf. that totally amazing Rufus/Chaka Khan song “Tell Me Something Good” that UGK flipped. There’s a lot of music that qualifies as “hood” or “street” or whatever signifier we’re going to attach to it without having to take on any sort of genre signifier.

    The fact that people who might be blue collar and “street” or whatever like it – and believe me, I’m thiiiiiis close to puking even entertaining the sort of conceptual chain where “oh yeah my co-workers are totally street QED this music is street,” I don’t know what the fuck to do with that shit, there’s no way I can deal with it without being inherently problematic – the point is that the fact that somebody likes it doesn’t make it not pop and not part of a pop genre.

  99. AK Says:

    Also, the fact that critics are talking about “Best I Ever Had” as if it were a rap song isn’t reflective of a thing save the failure of critics to accept the fragmentation of the genre. It’s not an R&B song in the early-80s, pre-rap sense*, it’s an R&B song in the post-rap sense. It’s all singing – the “you the you the best” is not rap-chanting, it’s a coherently tonal R&B hook. You can transcribe almost the entire song; the hook is entirely sung and shifts between a lower register and a falsetto. Come the fuck on. Anything that could be considered a “rap-chant” – whatever that is – would me more like Slick Rick “Street Talkin” or J Stalin’s “D Boy Blues 2010″ where the melody is tied to the peculiarities of the individual’s voice.

    What I’m saying is that Drake sucks and the fact that he sucks is something that is significant. He sucks in new and different ways, ways that could only exist after Weezy drops “Lollipop” and Kanye gets emo and rappers start listening to Coldplay for some reason that I will never fucking understand should I live a thousand years, but he SUCKS and he is not rap as we understand the genre.

    Peace.

    *appreciative of the true age of rap qua rap, but the fact is until fairly recently R&B pressed on as though it were independent of rap. Don’t ask me when the common manifestations of the genre became part of the larger narrative, though, because R&B isn’t my thing.

  100. skywyz Says:

    regarding the “hammer = no sellout” comment…
    i’ve got 3 words for you: ‘the funky headhunter’

    as for the “drake = street” comments…
    anyone that used to ham it up on ‘degrassi’ should never be considered part of the “street” scene. above all else, dude is an entertainer. his music is good, but no better than anything else on the radio or in blogland. he’s definitely got some star-power colabs to be proud of, but to act like he is “the future of hip-hop” is ridiculous. 10 years from now, we can all sit around the chatrooms and have that conversation.

    and lastly… shame on all of you for knocking B.o.B!!!
    so he doesn’t put out an album that the “hip-hop snobs” of the world want to hear. get over yourselves!

    even if he did record the songs strictly to appease the atlantic execs (which i highly doubt), SO WHAT!!! cat’s been waiting patiently for 3 years to drop something on a major label. nevermind the fact that he’s only 21 years old! what did any of us accomplish at that age?!?

    what i can’t figure out is how any of you are surprised at the direction bobby ray went on this. it all rings of ‘i’ll be in the sky’ and the ‘vs bobby ray mixtape’.

    yeah, the music is definitely pop, but who cares? when andre 3000 went this direction, you were all singing his praises. did you only grant him that pass because he already had 4 albums under his belt?

    stop hating and move on.

  101. Reckz Says:

    I went out and bought B.O.B.’s album because for one I don’t let other nitwits like Noz and his congregation dictate what I should feel is good music to me. Fuck a Lil b!

  102. Ramon Says:

    @ AK

    I do appreciate the heat. Again, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

  103. maynholup Says:

    whats lost in all dis arguin about “is bob a sellout” mayn is dat de album iz fucking terrible. I dont really give two fucks about a sell-out mayn, even Ro sed he wrote I Hate U Bitch for de charts, but dat song knocks anyways. Good music is good music is good music and De Adventrues Uv Bobby Ray is fuckin nails.

  104. hadesbaby Says:

    Sorry, but youz a hater. im not a fan of the album either, but everyone is still stuck on what rap USED to sound like. Its not selling out if you have have material to sell for one..and two, thats why its called selling out..cause successful artists usually SELLOUT. I cant stand the record BUT..theres more to the story..ya know..the CEO is gettin out of prison. they want something like..I dont know..MOMENTUM leading up to the CEO’s first release since prison..blah blah. look, Im not against singling out music that is bad, but to say your gonna resurrect the art of the ULTIMATE hate, which is basically calling a rapper an uncle TOM. A term that is only used for true blacks that want to be white..(Jewish affiliation aside lol)…I mean cmon..who HONESTLY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE 4 ELEMENTS OF HIP HOP…FANWISE??? NOT A GOD DAMN SOUL. Take this shit forward and the stuff you want to hear will grow out of the concrete. the worse it gets, the more we go back to how it was..a few raw ass cats.

  105. AK Says:

    Ramon – Til next time, then!

    Hadesbaby – What the fucking hell are you even TRYING to say?

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  107. Me Says:

    Secret fact: B.O.B. has never been good. Oh wow, it’s a black guy rapping not necessarily about selling drugs and/or killing people, and he’s doing it over cheesy Jim Jonsin-remakes of cheesy 80′s songs! Wait…he’s from the south too, and he clearly wants to be Andre 3000, so he’s gayly singing the hooks? SO INNOVATIVE!

    Is the dude talented? Yeah. But his music has never been THAT good to begin with. This album is just a further extension of his sucking.

    Also, can we address how mediocre and gay both the beat and hook on the new Em single are? Just because you can rap your fucking ass off does not mean you’re making good music.

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  109. tomakebeats.com Says:

    This is not bad.

  110. Mike Says:

    People have been telling me how great this album is and by people I mean supposed hip hop heads, but I have ignoring been them off the basis that I well and truly hate that album cover. It just tells me “Don’t ever buy this fucking cd!”. Then after reading this I went on youtube to preview a few tracks and my intentions and your analysis are so fucking true.

    That track with River’s Cuomo just makes me want to shoot the both of them and the engineers in the studio for ever thinking “hey let’s release this, not to mention the rest of this bullshit ass garbage ass don’t even know whether he’s bending genre’s or bending assholes ass music.

    @ME yes that em track needs to be put in the “Rapper’s Who Can Rhyme But Waste Their Talent Trying To Make A Comeback” hall of fame…

  111. tom Says:

    I dont know why i’m reading the comments on this, but AK’s last comment was one of the most selfishly-ignorant/closeminded comment i’ve read in a while.

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  113. DJPHil Says:

    So Just because B.O.B aint talking bout killin people, selling drugs or dance songs he a sellout? you niggaz need to get real… That nigga makes good music.. quit trying to box niggaz up. cuz you get mad when they break out…

  114. ME Says:

    @ DJPHILLIPBANKS

    because B.O.B aint talking bout killin people, selling drugs or dance songs he a sellout?

    quit trying to box niggaz up. cuz you get mad when they break out…

    it’s not that at all. it’s the fact that he uses all of that to try to sell himself as “different” when in fact he’s making weak music that is meant to sound “different” – yet friendly – to people with little to no music taste

  115. Baller S Says:

    A mountain climber who plays an electric guitar!

    http://www.stephenmcnearney.com/

  116. YoMommas Says:

    worth a listen

    “6 minutes”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF8U5QBOVuw

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  122. Tim Says:

    I’m pretty sure that in that terrible Airplane song B.o.B admits to selling out and wishes he could go back to better days. Making a catchy song that says you’re a tool if you like it is pretty funny.

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